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 Post subject: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:22 pm 
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Lately I've seen more and more cases of people getting ripped off (or almost ripped off) on online sales web sites. I don't mean eBay (which is a great place to get ripped, BTW), or Alibaba, or even Craigslist. I mean free-shipping-list.com, datelmobilephones.net, and their likings. These are the online equivalent of midtown Manhattan electronics shops. They sell everything cheaply, just buy it today. On the internet, many times, there IS NO store, Neo...

Dead Giveaway #1 - The looks
Same as you wouldn't buy a cellphone (or digital camera) from the back of a truck, you shouldn't buy one from a shop that looks like the behind of a truck. The site should look respectable; at least as respectable as a shop you'd buy from.
Flash animation in poor taste? Low resolution pictures? Plenty of dead links? Let others buy there.

Dead Giveaway #2 - Can you contact them?
No 'real life' contact details? No deal! No, being able to write on an online form is NOT considered real life contact details. RLCD are: phone number you can call, where someone answers; real world shop you can visit, or whose existance you can verify.
You can mail them? Fine! use Readnotify.com on them, and check that the shops location and readers location is the same. If the seller is in Romania, Nigeria or anywhere in former USSR, run away.

Dead Giveaway #3 - Special price only for you, my friend...
Same as in real life, the sentence above, unless you're Ms. Schieffer in a bikini, should light the 'Is he trying to rip me off?' warning. Prices can't be THAT low, no matter WHERE the product is sold from, in these times of globalization.
They offer to pay for shipment? Be suspicious. Shipment is usually pretty expensive. Cheap products AND free shipment? hmm...
They say that the usually sell only the double amount? (e.g. you inquire about 10, and they say 'we normally sell a minimum of 20, but since I'm in a good mood today I'll let you have 10') Say 'thanks', and move on; It's the notorious 'double or nothing scam'

Dead Giveaway #4 - When do they exist since? Who's behind it?
The site says 1999-2005. They must be old, hence respectable, right? Wrong. Deadly wrong. Go to DNSSTUFF.com, and on the 1st column do a WHOIS lookup. This checks up the actualy registrar of the internet. If THAT says 2005, they exist (in their current form) since 2005.
If the contact details on this page are fake (unreachable phone numbers, etc), you should also run away.

Dead Giveaway #5 - WU
If the site only allows Western Union payments (or moneygram), and even if they allow only bank transfers, it's probably a fake.
An honest shop allows credit card transactions, or even letters of credit for large transactions.

Dead Giveaway #6 - Google it up, Scottie
Go to google.com, and google the domain name together with the word 'scam'. Any relevant results? Draw you conclusions.

Use Common Sense
A great deal today, will probably be there tomorrow (or next week) as well. Take a few days, ask around, and you'll probably get some more insights about how legit the sites are.
For every person that got a Nokia N90 for 50$, there are countless that remain without their phone AND without their money. What would you rather lose? The opportunity, or your money?
If you think a site is a scam - report it in a few forums, so next time it does show on google.

Oh, and feel free to msg me if you think I can help you.


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Thanks for the information Wagamama - very very useful


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Verryy Nice !!!


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 Post subject: hyperhardware
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hey man, that was hugely useful. I'm reasonably new to the game, but have had several near misses where I've been grateful I did some homework. I duno how much time you have, but I'm trying to check out this place http://www.hyperhardwaresl.com/ There a lot that makes me think they're ok, but just enough other things to make me hesitant.
If you could give me a pointer that'd be greatly appreciated, thanks!


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Here's another thread on that site:

http://scamvictimsunited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8688#8688


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:21 pm 
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Here is one that I just recently received.

We are glad to announce you that you have a package in custody at Trucking Co. Deliveries.
Please visit http://air-straight-freight.com for details on your package.Your tracking(account) number is: 2FS24630A3.You will use it to track your merchandise online.

TRANSACTION DETAILS:

Description of item: New Apple iPhone 3G 16GB,Apple iPhone 8GB 3G
Currency: US$
Purchasing Price: US$ 450.00
Who pays?: Trucking Co. service: Seller
Inspection Period: 5 days
Payment type: Wire Transfer
SHIPPING DETAILS:
Service: Worldwide Overnight Express
Package contents: New Apple iPhone 3G 16GB, Apple iPhone 8GB 3G
Package weight: 4 lbs
Declared value of the first account: US$ 450.00
Additional services: Third Party Service
Tracking Number: 2FS24630A3
Status of Inspection: Excellent Condition

NOTE: The seller paid for the delivery.
This shipping paper was sent on 23-08-2008 from:


Name and address of sender:Name and address of receiver:
Sender Name: Farcas Catalin
Address: Ale Petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55101
Country: Romania

Using the tracking number that we provided above, you can track your package at http://air-straight-freight.com


Amount insured: US$ 450.00

The money deposit is confidential and it will not be released under any circumstances to the seller until you will confirm us that you have inspected the item and you agree with it.Please note that the fees for non-commercial purpose transfers is about 3% and the seller agreed to pay it. The commercial purpose transfer fees are about 12%, in this case, if the Western Union agent will ask you the reason of the transfer, simply tell them that it is for a friend. In this way, you will avoid an extra 9% fee. (http://www.westernunion.com).
Next steps:
1. You must send US$ 450 (Western Union) to:
Name: Farcas Catalin
Address: Ale Petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55101
Country: Romania
To submit the payment with Western Union Transfer, this is all you have to do:
a. Pay for the transfer with cash at a local Western Union Agent.Your money is generally available for pick up in minutes at an Agent location.
2. You must provide payment details. Once the payment was sent, provide Trucking Co. (air-straight-freight@consultant.com) with the following information:
a. 10 digit numbers (Money Transfer Control Number)
b. Exact sender's name on file with Western Union
c. Your street address on file with Western Union
d. City and country where you sent the money from
e. Amount sent
3. The merchandise is shipped. Trucking Co. will verify that you receive the merchandise. You have 3 working days to inspect the merchandise and after authorize Trucking Co. to send the payment details to the seller.
4. Seller receives payment.
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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:18 am 
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How recently did you get that message? It looks like the site isn't up yet.

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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:22 am 
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I wonder if you got the package from http://air-straight-freight.com ???

I also ordered a IPhone from there, but it is to early to know if i got blowed.

But the message i got from them whas like yours:


We are glad to announce you that you have a package in custody at Trucking Co. Deliveries.
Please visit http://air-international-freight.com for details on your package.Your tracking(account) number is: 4AP30693P2.You will use it to track your merchandise online.

TRANSACTION DETAILS:

Description of item: Apple Iphone 16GB 3G Brand New Unlocked White
Currency: US$
Purchasing Price: US$ 330.00
Who pays?: Trucking Co. service: Seller
Inspection Period: 3 days
Payment type: Wire Transfer
SHIPPING DETAILS:
Service: Worldwide Overnight Express
Package contents: Apple Iphone 16GB 3G Brand New Unlocked White
Package weight: 2 lbs
Declared value of the first account: US$ 330.00
Additional services: Third Party Service
Tracking Number: 4AP30693P2
Status of Inspection: Brand New In Box

NOTE: The seller paid for the delivery.

This shipping paper was sent on 12-09-2008 from:

Name and address of receiver:

Sender Name: Dragos Farcas
Address: Al petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55002
Country: Romania


Using the tracking number that we provided above, you can track your package at http://air-straight-freight.com

Amount insured:
US$330.00

The money deposit is confidential and it will not be released under any circumstances to the seller until you will confirm us that you have inspected the item and you agree with it.Please note that the fees for non-commercial purpose transfers is about 3% and the seller agreed to pay it. The commercial purpose transfer fees are about 12%, in this case, if the Western Union agent will ask you the reason of the transfer, simply tell them that it is for a friend. In this way, you will avoid an extra 9% fee. (http://www.westernunion.com).
Next steps:
1. You must send US$ 330 via Western Union Money Transfer to:
Name: Dragos Farcas
Address: Al petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55002
Country: Romania

To submit the payment with Western Union Transfer, this is all you have to do:
1. Pay for the transfer with cash at a local Western Union Agent.Your money is generally available for pick up in minutes at an Agent location.
2. You must provide payment details. Once the payment was sent, provide Trucking Co. (air-straight-freight@consultant.com) with the following information:
a. 10 digit numbers (Money Transfer Control Number)
b. Exact sender's name on file with Western Union
c. Your street address on file with Western Union
d. City and country where you sent the money from
e. Amount sent
3. The merchandise is shipped. Trucking Co. will verify that you receive the merchandise. You have 3 working days to inspect the merchandise and after authorize Trucking Co. to send the payment details to the seller.
4. Seller receives payment.
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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:27 am 
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I have mailed them and got this answers...


1. Dear Buyer

Because Ike was in Houston, Tx we have a delay for 3 days at your package , how can resolve this ?? Cna give us other address where to sent the item.Contact us asap.

Thank You

2. Dear Buyer

We are sorry for this trouble but was problem in Houston with Ike and that is this delay the package arrive thursday are you there for delivery??? Let us to know .

Thank YOU

3. Dear Buyer

Next thursday in 25/09/2008 the drivers will be there . If you aren`t there is someone who can confirm your identity for pick up the package?

Thank You

So lets see if this is a fake or not.


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:43 pm 
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so has anyone received a package from this company? I opened a fraud claim with Western Union right now and I'm hoping to hear something very soon here. Haven't heard from the guy that I made the purchase from in a while... I'm already heated at myself about the whole situation.


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:49 am 
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I also tried to buy a phone from this guy. It is 3 weeks later and I am still without a phone. I thought I was being careful and as turns out I was just not careful enough. as you can see in the e-mails below they are supposed to send me my money back but I highly doubt they will since I am not the only one who has had this happen to. I just tried to get on their site and it is down. So I assume they know people are on to them. I have called them out on several occasions via e-mail but they did not admit to anything. So if you are reading this. do not go through this Co. Learn from my mistake and just buy it from someone who allowes you to you a method that can be tracked.

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Dear buyer

We track your package and was a delay because Ike from Houston and the package arrive in this friday for sure.

Thank You

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dear buyer

package arrive end of this week
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Dear buyer,

This friday should to receive the package .


Thank You
Manager
Michael
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Dear buyer,

We give to your seller money back monday and than he will sent back to you . Sorry because this shipping dosen`t work.

Thank You\Michael

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Dear Buyer,

Ok our company will sent money back to you on monday.

Than You
Manager
Michael

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We are glad to announce you that you have a package in custody at Trucking Co. Deliveries. Please visit http://air-international-freight.com for details on your package.Your tracking(account) number is: 9BB11501F0 .You will use it to track your merchandise online. TRANSACTION DETAILS:

Description of item: Apple Iphone 16 Gb 3 G
Currency: US$
Purchasing Price: US$ 300.00
Who pays?: Trucking Co. service: Seller
Inspection Period: 3 days
Payment type: Wire Transfer
SHIPPING DETAILS:
Service: Worldwide Overnight Express
Package contents: Apple Iphone 16 Gb 3 G
Package weight:2 lbs
Declared value of the first account: US$ 300.00
Additional services: Third Party Service
Tracking Number: 9BB11501F0
Status of Inspection: Brand New In Box

NOTE: The seller paid for the delivery.
This shipping paper was sent on 10-09-2008 from:


Name and address of sender: Name and address of receiver:

Sender Name: Farcas Catalin
Address: Ale Petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55604
Country: Romania


Using the tracking number that we provided above, you can track your package at http://air-straight-freight.com



Amount insured: US$ 300.00

Dear , The money deposit is confidential and it will not be released under any circumstances to the seller until you will confirm us that you have inspected the item and you agree with it.Please note that the fees for non-commercial purpose transfers is about 3% and the seller agreed to pay it. The commercial purpose transfer fees are about 12%, in this case, if the Western Union agent will ask you the reason of the transfer, simply tell them that it is for a friend. In this way, you will avoid an extra 9% fee. (http://www.westernunion.com).
Next steps:
1. You must send US$ 300 (Western Union) to:
Name: Farcas Catalin
Address: Ale Petunei 4
City: Sibiu
Zip Code: 55604
Country: Romania

To submit the payment with Western Union Transfer, this is all you have to do:
a. Pay for the transfer with cash at a local Western Union Agent.Your money is generally available for pick up in minutes at an Agent location.
2. You must provide payment details. Once the payment was sent, provide Trucking Co. (air-straight-freight@consultant.com) with the following information:
a. 10 digit numbers (Money Transfer Control Number)
b. Exact sender's name on file with Western Union
c. Your street address on file with Western Union
d. City and country where you sent the money from
e. Amount sent3. The merchandise is shipped. Trucking Co. will verify that you receive the merchandise. You have 3 working days to inspect the merchandise and after authorize Trucking Co. to send the payment details to the seller.
4. Seller receives payment. Copyright 2000-2008. All rights reserved. PrivacyPolicy


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:03 pm 
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http://www.air-international-freight.com was a definite scam and has been shut down.

http://forum.aa419.org/viewtopic.php?t= ... nalfreight

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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:37 am 
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Hy I just come on internet and I wanna to inform guys I made 2 deals with this seller first time I receive the product in 12 days and second time was problem with the company who he used but in 2 days he give me money back . Thank you guys


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:57 pm 
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I also get scammed by Farcas Catalin, or Martin Loker.. He emails under Martin Loker.. But i go look for him with my brother who is in the army... 300$ payed... looking for the mail


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 Post subject: Re: How to spot a scam site - Raising Awareness
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:01 pm 
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Dear Frank Wiek,
Thank you for your purchase. After verifying the trustworthiness of the seller and the availability of the merchandise for immediate shipping, we have approved your transaction and offered you, as the buyer, full purchase protection for the amount you agreed on with the seller. When you accepted this transaction, be assured that the member is a qualified seller and you can feel assured that your transaction will go smoothly and that you are dealing with one who has consistently meet the requirements established by eBay.
Complete your eBay transaction in 3 easy steps:
1. eBay accepts the transaction and offers purchase protection to the buyer (if the transaction is declined, no further action is required from either the buyer or the seller);
2. The buyer sends payment and the seller receives it. After the payment is received, the seller must notify eBay. Buyer will send the payment details directly to the seller's e-mail address. The seller has three business days to send the tracking number of the shipment to the buyer and to eBay. If no tracking number is provided, a full refund is immediately sent to the buyer;
3. Buyer receives the merchandise and has ten days to inspect it. If it is complete and as described, the buyer should accept the merchandise. If he refuses the merchandise, the buyer must ship the merchandise back to the seller within three business days. After the inspection period is over, the buyer must contact ebay with the result of the inspection.
Details and instructions of this transaction:
The following item(s) are protected in this eBay transaction:
Item: New Apple iPhone 3G White 16GB
Sale Price: EUR 360.00/ Amount insured
Quantity: 1
Subtotal: EUR 360.00
Insurance: EUR 360.00
Salex Tax: None
Ship-to: Bardolinogaard 9
Spijkenisse
Zuid-Holland
3206PB
The Nederlands
Our customer (Farcas Catalin) require the payment to be done through Western Union money transfer service.
If you are not familiarized with the Western Union money transfer services please visit: http://www.westernunion.com . If you want to locate the nearest Western Union Office in your area please click here. You have to pay with cash at any Western Union Office .

Payment must be sent to:
Seller name: Farcas Catalin
Seller address: Al petunei 4
Sibiu 55304
Romania

The item must be sent to:
Buyer's name: Frank Wiek
Buyer's address: Bardolinogaard 9
Spijkenisse
Zuid-Holland
3206PB
The Nederlands

Next step to be taken: The buyer must send the payment to the seller
We know that we learn every eBay member to use services such as PayPal, Escrow which are safer than Western Union Money Transfer. But is our responsibility to make every option safe and tell that this seller is verified by our services and you can have all the trust in his requests.
Payment instructions:
To submit the payment with Western Union Money Transfer, you have 2 options:
1. Pay for the transfer with cash at a local Western Union agent. Click on the link to locate the agents in your area: http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp. Go to one of them and send the payment to the verified name of the seller.
2. If you are now in the USA and need to use a credit/debit card (Visa or MasterCard), call 1-800-CALL-CASH and make the payment to the verified name of the seller. An additional fee will be charged on most cards because this transaction will be considered a cash advance on your card.
Western Union Money Transfer is the only service that has ultimate authentication of the identity of the receiver of funds. Several IDs and utility bills are required before the funds are paid. Therefore, no one else but your seller can pick up the money. Your payments cannot be lost in the mail, like money orders or checks.
Western Union Money Transfer is designed mainly for sending cash to friends and family in need, so telling them you are sending the money to an eBay seller will prevent your money transfer to go through and you will be unable to complete this transaction.

Our seller uses Western Union Service for the payment due the fact is not able to temporarly use: PayPal,Escrow, Credit Card as a method of payment.

Pay using Money order online via Western Union Auction Payments in association with eBay Inc .
• Payment must be sent by Western Union Money Transfer


Once the payment was sent, email the seller (lokmartinlok@gmail.com ) the following information:

1. 10 digit MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number):
2. Exact sender's name on file with Western Union:
3. Your street address on file with Western Union:
4. City and country where you sent the money from:
5. Amount sent:
6. Your complete name and address for shipping:
Then wait for the confirmation the payment was received. Within 24 hours, you will receive the tracking number for your merchandise.

Purchase protection and refund:
Currently, this seller has a US $20,000.00 deposit in an eBay managed purchase protection account.
Transactions with this eBay seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors. For your safety, this account was locked today, for 90 days time period. The seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period...
Should you need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. The way you are refunded is at your choice. You have 90 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days.

Conditions to be meet before you may ask for a refund:
Here are the situations suitable for a refund request:
1. If the item doesn't arrive and/or the seller stops communications after the payment was received;
2. If the merchandise you receive has different specifications than the ones you agreed on;
3. If your merchandise arrives in a much longer period than the one you agreed on (more than 15 days from the payment clearance day);
For cases 2. and 3. you have to send back the merchandise to the seller prior to ask for your refund. If you did not pay the seller by payment method required by us, your refund request will be declined.

Important Usage Guidelines:
1. The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to eBay. Any other use is strictly prohibited.
2. This transaction is protected by eBay services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution.
3. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this eBay member.
4. Should you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting eBay. Any complaints must be filed within 90 days from the verification date.
The insurer of this transaction is eBay Inc ., located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125, USA. The account is managed by eBay's Square Trade center.
This transaction is supervised by eBay's Safe Harbor team.
The seller was informed about this transaction being started and is awaiting your payment. It is recommended to send the payment as soon as possible, because your purchase protection is valid for 30 days only.
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Where like 1 month further now, have every day contac with him he has every day some other excusses for shipping the money back. But he stil diddnt.. He told me a lot of bullshit, also that he shipped it with some kinda company they gad problem in Antwerpen so he should give me money back, but he stil diddnt.. And all those kind of bullshit..

Still waiting, but i will look for him


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