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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:25 am 
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Alaska wrote:
Not checking the validity of the cashiers check yourself when you received it was an important mistake...

You say it was on a well recognized bank...why did you not take it to a branch of that bank
and cash it or at least have it checked....???


Valid questions . . . back then I actually thought that checking the validity of the check was what the bank did before they "cleared" the check. They are the bank . . . what are they there for?

Why didn't I take it to a branch of the bank it was issued by? Again, I thought that the banking process/system took care of that for me. I did not have an account with the issuing bank, so I took it to my bank. I asked them how do we make sure that this is a good check, and they assured me that if it clears it is good. I had been banking with that bank for 15+ years, and they had not given me bad information before . . . why would I think that this information was bad?

Yes, now I know better, but that is because of this site, the people I have talked to and the research and work we have done. My point is that the "average Joe" who does not does not spend a lot of time on the internet and just takes the bank's word for it would be misinformed . . . just like we were. And that was almost 6 years ago . . . you would think some of the banks would have stepped things up in that time, but since we are still seeing people becoming victims, it is clear that they are not.

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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 pm 
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ok.....for the benefit of the viewers lets make a couple things clear

If you choose to attempt to cash a Cashiers Check you take it to the bank that issued it first
rather than you own bank. They can't refuse to cash it if you have 2 pieces of ID, one must be photo ID. They also can't refuse to cash it if you're not a customer.....they can however pay you by issuing you another Cashier Check, which then takes the question of validity of the original out of the process......or can also just ask that it be verified as a legitimant CC for the dollar amount shown on it.

The dollar amount is important here....these Nigerian scammers will purchase Cashiers Checks, money orders or MoneyGrams and alter the dollar amount, thats called washing and they are very good at it.

If you take it to your own bank don't trust what they tell you about when it will clear or the time periods associated with clearing...

As pointed out here in another post the correct info on clearing is more like 7 to 10 days or more....

You can always call the bank/service that issued the Cashiers Check and ask that it be checked for validity....they will simply ask for the serial number on the check to complete that. Make sure they tell you the dollar amount the CC was issued for...!

NEVER use Western Union to send funds unless you know the person you are sending to..! (even Western Union tells you that)


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:37 pm 
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Alaska wrote:
NEVER use Western Union to send funds unless you know the person you are sending to..! (even Western Union tells you that)


Yeah . . . now they have warnings about that . . . and who do you think was one of the biggest fighters in that battle . . . ME

And I have to say, I LOVE google! Now that there are more sites like this one and more people posting information about scammers, you can google someone's name, email address or phone number and chances are you will find something out there about them.

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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:38 am 
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Thanks Shawn.....on a couple things I see we can agree

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... am07.shtml

USE GOOGLE...

DON'T TRUST YOUR BANK...

DON'T ACCEPT ADDITIONAL FUNDS...over your selling price for any reason


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:34 pm 
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Alaska wrote:
USE GOOGLE...

DON'T TRUST YOUR BANK...

DON'T ACCEPT ADDITIONAL FUNDS...over your selling price for any reason


Yes . . . those are all very good things for everyone to do.

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 Post subject: Reincarnation of the same Scam
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:11 am 
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They've made a few changes to the scam! Thank god I found you guys before it was too late.

I'm selling a wedding dress on craigslist and I was thrilled to have someone contact me "It this still available?'' Her name was Stacy Thomson[b][/b]. She was using a gmail address. After I confirmed that the dress was still available and asked if she'd like to come look at it, I got the following reply:

Hello and thanks for your propmt reply. I actually wannt to buy your item and make payment as fast as possible but i will appreciate it if we can both deal on transparency and honesty, you know why? In recent time, i bought an item from a seller and after he received my payment, he never ships out the item and i never heard from him again. So i will be very glad if you can render your total co-oparation on this transcation.

My mode of payment for this item will be through US Cashiers Check because, thats the only means of payment i have access to presently and i dont mind offering you $500 provided you can reserve the item for me while i make payment and also, i will wait till the check clear your bank before i arrange for the shipping.

As for the shipping, am shipping the item within the United State because am located in California, so shipping will be handled by my shipping company as soon as you verify and confirmed payment, so all i need from you is to know when you will be available at your address so that my shipping company can come and pick up the item.

If this sounds good and you are okay with my payment and shipping arrangements, do let me have your full name and address plus your direct phone number as it will be written on the check so that i can forward it to my finance house to prepare it for you to receive it on time.

Thanks and get back to me as soon as possible.


I was thrilled! $500? I gave her my work address and my phone number (Will this come back to bite me? What can they do with that information?)But I was a little suspicious, and then I received this email:

Hello,
i am not in a good state of mind to tell you this but i think you will have plight for me and understand me. I got a bad news Today while i was about giving your info to my finance house, i was informed that, my dad had a serious accident and he is in COMA now.

The shock of this news affected me badly that, while i was giving your info to my finance house, instead of your original amount to be written on your check, $4,000 was written on it and it has been sent to your address already.

I hope i can trust you with my money and i hope you re trustworthy too and i will appreciate and since it happened like this, i think it will be better if the rest of the fund can be sent to my shipping company via western union money transfer so that they can come and pick the item on time and i promise that, i will also compensate you.

Please do get back to me and let me know if you will be able to handle this. Thanks and i will be waiting to hear from you soonest


I replied:
I'm not sure I understand. You want me to send $3,500 to you now? That doesn't make any sense and, frankly, sounds suspicious. I won't deposit the cheque when it comes and you can cancel it through your bank and have a new cheque sent to me or use a service like PayPal.

I'm very sorry about your father, but I hope you can understand that what you're asking doesn't make any sense. Please let me know how you'd like to proceed


SHe then contacted me on gCHat! She said that her financial house had already sent the payment, that it was issued from Suntrust bank (interesting, since she sent me the Coma email around 3:00 a.m. EST and I don't know of any banks, even in California, that are open at that time) and that it was a cashiers check.

I figured that I had asked too many questions and the whole thing would go to rest, but then this morning I got this email, which brought me to this site:

Dear ******,

The payment is already scheduled and it's delivery would not take longer than Saturday which is today.The check was shipped via FedEx Next Day Air Service.

Find below the tracking details of the check :

http://www.fedex.com/us
Tracking Number : 791890946743

Here is the information i want you to send the remaining amount to,once you have cashed the check and also make sure you keep me updated regarding the payment..

Ronald C. Spigener
365 Western Ave
Mansfield, TX 76063

I will be expecting your MTCN # as soon as you have sent the money through Western Union Money Transfer..and also the weight of the item immediately you have cashed the check..

I believe you are in complete understanding of the content of this email.Send me an email to confirm that you received this letter.

I would keep you posted.

Sincerely,
Lisa Philip


Now what should i do? Should I refuse the shipment? Also, notice that she had told me on Thursday that it had already been sent and now it was just sent yesterday (Friday).

Any advice on how to proceed would be great. Obviously they do not want the dress, they want $3500 of easy money.

Also, she would not give any information on her "private shipping company."

So what do I do from here? And can they hurt me with my work address, phone and Gmail address? Should I change those numbers?


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:53 pm 
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I wouldn't worry to much about anything since you haven't cashed or deposited the check and sent any money away. If the shippment does come you can either refuse it or you can accept it and take the check to your local police department and let them take care of it or you can shred it and throw the pieces away. Then just ignore any further emails you get from this person. I'm glad you listened to your gut before it was to late.


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:31 am 
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If they continue to contact you then you can just tell them that the check did not clear, and if they say they will send you another check, tell them that you already sold it to someone locally.

Or, block their email address and just forget about it.

As for having your contact info, I personally would not worry about it too much. Most times, the scammers are in another country so it would cost too much for them to travel here to "do" anything to someone, especially over a few thousand dollars. They are making millions with all of the people that they scam. The people that they REALLY hate are people like us who run these websites that help people to see that these are scams.

If it helps you to feel safer, change your number and make sure that you are never alone at work. Other tips can be found here
http://fraudaid.com/threats.htm#What

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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:13 pm 
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Hey There,
I have made it a priority to scam the scammers online. I get soo much junk email from Nigeria and the UK stating " You Won " THe most recent waas Abideenscott0000@gmail who wrote to me and asked me if I would help him cash his checks for him and keep 10% of teh money and then send the balance via Western Union to his destination of choice. LOL!!!! so I played it out to see just how far Mr. Abideen Scott would actually take things.......and the dumbass was silly enough to actually fedex me a check to my home address ( keep in mind I did give a fake name, fake ss# and fake banking info to him for my own protection of course, but did give a real prepaid cell #)

But get a load of this..........Mr Abideen Scott himself started to call my cell phone religiously to make sure I had recieved his fedex package. ( Yes it was a real FEDEX package sent to my home)
I of course tried to get a return phone number for him assuring him I was off to the bank but was nervous about the amount of money he sent ( a check made out to my name for 4200.00 us dollars)

Of course to cover all my bases I did check with my own bank who ran the serial numbers and account numbers from the check and told me it was indeed a fake check.

for those of you who aren't aware and fall for something like this and actually deposit what Abideen Scott sends you into your own bank , your bank will press felony check fraud charges against you and you will wind up in jail.

I am trying to gather up all the info I can on Abideen scott, and am hoping for a phone # so I can turn him for this terrible scam.

PS, I knw this was a scam going into it, please beware of giving out ANY personal info at all.

Sincerely,
1 Man Scan Buster
Please forward any info you have about this particular scam to me at the email link below


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:24 pm 
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Rholm wrote:
I am trying to gather up all the info I can on Abideen scott, and am hoping for a phone # so I can turn him for this terrible scam.


It will end up being a stolen or pre-paid cell phone that they cannot track, and the scammer is in another country anyway, so there is no way to "catch" him.

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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:55 pm 
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Hmmm...glad I found this site. I had a weird feeling about my experience on craigslist where I was selling a home theater system for $125 and someone from a different state offered it to me for $200. Like everyone else I was happy, but suspicious. This person named "Derby Smith" said it was for her grandson. She wanted to send me money with USPS money order rather than online money such as paypal. I thought that was fine and figured she would mail me a money order. Instead I got this email:

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You've Got New Funds!

Congratulations! **** **,

This email confirms that " Derby Smith " has sent you a total amount of $200.00.


Payment Details:

Total Amount: $200.00 (Shipping Excluded)
Transaction ID: 6Y758072CS5622206
Subject:

You are to ship out before 9TH/October/2008
Item Description :

Sony 5.1 Home Theater Surround System
The financial details of the transaction are stated below:


Your money order has been approved and will be completed once we receive the shipment tracking number for shipment verification and authenticated when you ship out Merchandise.You will receive a Confirmation email from us.This measure is taken in order to protect both seller and buyer interests and to reduce the occurrence of fraudulent activities.
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***IF WE DO NOT RECEIVE THE SHIPMENT TRACKING NUMBER, YOUR MONEY DELIVERY WILL BE STOPPED***
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Status



The USPS Convenience: Getting paid by United States Postal Service® users is incredibly simple. Usps users can conveniently send money to their customer through email or to your residential address which our errand delivery representative will deliver your money to you in cash through various methods including , Money Order, delivery of cash. All these options make Usps the most convenient Online Payment Solution for you. Usps takes away the issues related to incorporating payment options into your website as well as the burden of processing transactions.
Protecting Your Customers' Identity: Most importantly, the responsibility of storing sensitive customer data is no longer in your hands. Usps takes care of that part for you. You don't have to worry about ensuring data is not compromised because you don't have access to any confidential information. Usps quickly and securely tells you what you need to know: that your payment was received and your money is been shipped out for delivery but will not get to your Residential Contact Address until the shipment reference/tracking number has been sent to us for proper shipment verification so as to secure both the buyer and seller.......................................................................................................... Below are the necessary information requested before Payment can get to your Residential Address in 1-3 Business days.


Billing Information:


Buyer (USPS) Account ID:
Account Details:

Country:




Mrs Derby Smith
Bank Name: First National Bank
Account Number: *******5689
U.S.A

Delivery Information:

Seller's Contact:
Address:



Status:










**** **
**** Spring Mountain Rd
Las Vegas, NV ****
United States.

IN-TRANSIT







This United States Postal Service® Payment has been deducted from the buyer's account and has been "APPROVED " But Payment will not get to your Residential Address until the Shipment Reference/Tracking Confirmation number has been sent to us for proper shipment verification so as to secure both the buyer and seller. Below are the necessary information requested before Payment can get to your Residential Contact Address in 1-2 Business days First Class Mail delivery.

NOTE: This order has been APPROVED, you CAN NOW ship the merchandise to the buyer's shipping address. You are expected to make the shipment within 24 Hours of receiving this Payment Confirmation Notification Email and get back to our Customer/Technical Dept with the shipment tracking number for Shipment Verification. With this no buyer can stop payment with a false claim that there is no longer any transaction between the two of you after you might have shipped Out Merchandise. We are your mediator,we stand between both the buyer and seller because we have our reputation to protect.


Send shipment tracking number to us or email us through this mail : (unitedpostal_contactus@mail.com) and our customer service care will attend to you immediately.



**PLEASE NOTE**
Once shipment has been verified with the shipment tracking number sent to us, You will receive a "PAYMENT DELIVERY NOTIFICATION Email" from United States Postal Service® informing you that the Money has been sent to your residential address.


Thank you for using United States Postal Service Money OrderSM!
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I thought it seemed odd I wouldn't see any money until I actually shipped the item. I looked online and found this site so now I now this is likely a scam. However I gave her my address, phone #, and email. Should I be worried about this? Can this some how wind up as identity theft? Please let me know and what I can do about it. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:07 am 
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Actually here's a question. Is there any way to catch this person and get him/her in trouble with the authorities?


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:24 pm 
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In most cases the scammer is actually in another country, so no, there is not a way to catch them.

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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
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someone tried that with me today, I tend to research my topics, no one knew what to do they told me to ship it then submit the tracking number, the E-mail has been forwarded to the scam division, the money order was for $1700.00 ($200.00 more than I was asking,)Red Flag #1 Usps states a money order can only be made out at $1000. max ,red flag #2
the E-mail address of the person in charge of transaction web site non existent,so needless to say that person won't be getting his "free" item, It even displayed a "bogus" money order receipt that "the customer recieved upon purchase)
problem is the money order was made out for $15.00 and dated in 2001

And another thing I noticed, there was unrelated advertising associated with the E-mail, I feel the postal service would not do that

Tracking The E-mail source, it appeared the E-mail I recieved went around the world before I got it, some of the nnumbers (arinwhois.com) shown it went to isreal, china,new jersey and he stated he was in long beach Ca
And if you looked at the graphics on the E-mail, did a mouse over, it revealed a "Google" Link
As expected, The person was in contact with me until I asked him to verify where to submit the tracking number,He won't respond back now, what little does he know I never sent the item, and since pulled all my ads from craigslist


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 Post subject: Re: United States Postal Money Order Payments® ExpressPaymentSM
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:34 pm 
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maybe I'll do what Veejay said, He doesn't know I'm on to him, maybe I will send him some crap (feces) as his product, that should tick him off


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