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 Post subject: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:29 am 

Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:11 am
Posts: 2
Below is a serious of emails recieved from Heidel Pay, Inc. This is the first time I've ever followed through with a job request online. I need to know if this is legitimate business. I do not have to send any money or use any of my money, just have a Pay Pal account. Can anyone out there tell me how I can find out if this company is for real.
Thank you for your assistance:

First email received from CareerBuilder Inc.

Dear Potential Employee
You have been contacted as a potential employee who has registered on one of the Websites owned by CareerBuilder Inc.

HEidelP Inc. is looking to fill Entry Level Payment Clerk Positions. Full paid training will be provided , full time and part time positions are available. Good communication skills and responsible personality is a plus. Second language is not necessary but a plus!

HEidelP Inc. is a leading provider of business process outsourcing services including accounts receivable management, customer relationship management, and other services. .

Principle Responsibilities:

* Process all work on a daily basis as described in training and at direction of Management.
* Process all work in priority order.
* Balance at a batch level as well as balancing the data path/directory at EOB each day.
* Responsible to keep all pertinent back up to substantiate payment posting as necessary.
* Responsible for organizing backup and archival information as described in training.
* Responsible for reconciling any differences found in balancing at a batch level as well as at EOB.
* Employee is responsible to be present on last day of each month for Mandatory Month End Close.

Qualified Candidates Should Possess:

* High School Diploma or GED Certificate.
* Some PC skills.
* Excellent written and oral communication skills.
* Ability to work independently and in a team setting.
* Ability to uphold highest level of confidentiality.
* Ability to work in a multi-tasked environment.
* Ability to accommodate schedule as listed below.

We offer a competitive salary and comprehensive benefits package, paid time off and a 401 (k) plan. If you have the background we seek and are looking for a position in a dynamic, fast paced organization with career growth opportunities, please submit your resume. Interested candidates only, no third parties.
If you are interested please email me at to receive further information about the position available and our company.

Michael Vogts
Direct manager
HeidelP Inc

Second email, after I responded I was interested in hearing more about the position and checking out the website:

We are looking for a new clients for you, it should not take more than 5-10
business days.Please check your e-mail at least once a day from now on.
Before we can start your training period the temporary contract must be
signed, please enter your name in the field provided below and e-mail it
back to me.
Please note that before full time employment we will ask you to sign and
notarize this contract. Thank you

Michael Vogts
Direct manager

thank you for your interest in Entry Level Payment Processor position ,my
name is Michael Vogts, human resources and direct manager at Heidel Pay
Inc . I will explain about our company and Entry Level Payment Processor
position available in your area. To better understand our business please
visit . Heidel Pay Inc currently offers a
secure, fast, and inexpensive means to process and transfer funds
domestically and internationally.

Whether our clients are setting up a new business or adding e-commerce to
an existing business, we can provide them with high quality, flexible and
cost effective online payment processing solutions enabling our customers
from around the world to pay in their own currency and with their
preferred payment method. Heidel Pay Inc supplies them with a
comprehensive and user-friendly back office that makes it possible to
easily manage your transactions via credit cards and Pay Pal.

Now more about your responsibilities:
Persons who will be accepted for this job will be responsible for:
1. Will have to answer customers questions and requests via e-mail or
phone (verbal skills a plus)
2.Will have to keep in touch with a manager and be able to answer calls
and e-mail communications from the manager promptly.
3. Will have to accept payments from customers for further credit to our
4.Will have to maintain good account standing and good relations with
our clients

We will provide a full paid training, there are full time and part time
positions available. This position is also great for people who are
looking for an extra income.

After approval of your application a short phone interview will be
conducted if needed. You will receive wages of $21 per hour once full
time employed plus a commissions of 5% from every transaction that you
make, after you will complete the training the contract will be signed
between you and the Heidel Pay Inc guaranteeing you at least $800.00
every week.

You will not need to spend any of your money at any time, Heidel Pay Inc
will reimburse your travel costs (if needed) and other expenses you may
incur. We appreciate the loyalty and trust from our employees. Please be
advised that we will not deduct any taxes from your commissions, it will
be your responsibility to report your earnings to IRS at the end of the

If you are interested or have some more questions please let us know so
we could get started with your application immediately. Please add our
domain to your allowed list of emails since sometimes massages may fall
into bulk mail folder. Thank you.

Michael Vogts
Direct manager

I said I was interested and below is the contract they sent and I entered my name and address:

Subject of the Contract

The present Agreement defines your and our rights and liabilities as
related to functioning of Agent in the US ,CA or EU for reception of
payments made by clients of the Company with subsequent transfer
of money according to the specified bank details via a hereafter
specified payment system. THEREFORE, in accordance with
the present mutual agreements, the Parties agree as follows:
On the basis of the present legal document the Agent takes the
responsibility to manage incoming Pay Pal payments and the
Company undertakes to accept the bank transfer and to pay for
the rendered services in amount and according to the terms
stipulated by the conditions of the present Contract.

General provisions.

The present Contract is valid after signing by both Parties or after
observance of all incurred conditions by the Agent. The Parties
acknowledge the validity of the contents of the documents received
by communication channels equally with the documents presented
in the simple written form. Obligations of the parties The Agent
undertakes the following: To follow the provisions of the
present Contract. To provide and to confirm (if needed )the following data:

· Legal status of a resident in the territory of the US or Canada. ;

· Free time of about 1-2 business hours per day for carrying out the work;

· Free access to the telephone lines for contacts with the Manager
(cell, office, home);

After reception of bank transfers and/or pay pal transfers from
the clients of the Company to transfer 95% of the total
amount according to the bank details given by the Company via the
payment system specified by the Company within 24 business hours.
Please note that from the moment of receipt of a bank transfer or a
Pay Pal payment by the Agent the money is considered to be the
Company assets. Promptly inform the Company about any
problem occurring with regard to the working process.
The Company undertakes:

· To follow the provisions of the present Contract.

· To take into consideration the data from the Agent within 24 business
hours after reception;

· To inform the Agent about clients payments within 12 business hours
after the accept and to give further instructions;

· To pay commission to the Agent at a rate of 5% from the amount
of bank transfer or check payment; to compensate the Agent for the
time spent on each project at a $21.00 per hour rate;

· To render the Agent all necessary consultations on questions
arising during the period of cooperation

· The Agent does not bear any responsibility for an origin of money
transferred through the account of the Agent and provided with the
Company, and the commission at a rate of 5% takes as payment for
personal time deducted of a personal time of the Agent, which he/she
uses for performance of the duties under the given contract according
to conditions of the contract; This agreement may be terminated at any
time by either Party by giving the other Party a three-day (3) written
prior notice. The Agent will submit a list of accounts that have payment
arrangements. The Agent will retain possession of accounts until the
payment arrangement has been fulfilled. The Agent will be paid his/her
fees for those accounts as stated above. Responsibility of the parties
Should the Parties fail to execute or inadequately execute their
liabilities under the present Contract, they bear the responsibility in
accordance with the US legislation and following the provisions
stipulated by the present Contract.

Force majeure

· The Parties are exempt from the responsibility for partial or full
non-execution of their obligations under the present Contract, caused
by force majeure circumstances after its conclusion;
·The Parties, in particular, acknowledge as such the following: disaster;
ecological and industrial accidents; acts of terrorism; military actions;
civil disorders; other circumstances which cannot be expected beforehand or
prevented by the Parties and make impossible performance of the Parties
liabilities under the Contract; · The Party shall inform the other Party on
those circumstances immediately, but not later than in 3 (three) working
days. In this case the Party shall be exempt from the responsibility related
to the Contract. The delayed notice on force majeure circumstances deprives
the Party of the righton responsibility exemption;
I ...................................................... (Your full name
and address)
acknowledge receipt and confirm my acceptance of this Contract of Employment
and associated Terms and Conditions of Employment. Heidel Pay Inc Employee:

The final email I received is below:

We have received all the information we need and are ready to start the
training process. You have already been assigned a client and you will be
working with him in a near future. Please check your e-mail at least
couple of times per day for incoming messages and instructions, follow and
answer them in a timely and professional manner. As this will be learn as
you go process , feel free to e-mail me with any questions and concerns.
Your e-mail usually will be answered within couple of hours. Your first
set of instructions will be e-mailed to you in 3 to 5 business days. Thank
you and I hope you’ll enjoy working with our company.

Michael Vogts
Direct manager

 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:24 am 
Site Admin/Co-Founder

Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:09 pm
Posts: 2921
so you were hired without ever speaking to anyone in person, or via the phone? That is a HUGE red flag.

including accounts receivable management

this usually means cashing our fake cashier's checks/money orders and then wire the money back to us

Shawn Mosch
Co-Founder of
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 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:14 pm 
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Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:50 am
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STAY AWAY. This smells like a scam to me.

 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:19 am 

Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:49 pm
Posts: 70
A couple of points to consider in this would be: I would think you would need some type of training to do accounts receivable not just a high school diploma. Second it says that you will recieve training and then it states it is a learn as you go job. Another point would be that you would only be working 1-2 hours per day which would be at most 14 hours a week so how do you earn $800 a week at a rate of $21 per hour? This is a scam as far as it goes. I agree with Shawn you will recieve payments and be told to either send the money to them via Western Union or transfer to a bank account you would be given. I hope this helps you and am glad that you questioned this before being stuck for money they would steal from you. It is too easy to fall into a scam when you think you are just doing what is right to make a better life. I was not so lucky and am still paying the price for the scam I got pulled into.

 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:01 am 

Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:11 am
Posts: 2
Thank you all for your help...I received another letter from Michael Vogts stating that they have a client for me who will be putting money into my paypal account and I shoudl be getting instructions by Monday, maybe Sunday night. I have not given them my PayPal account information, so I am not sure how they will be transferring this money into my account. Did any of you check out the website that was posted in the original email that was sent? I am doing nothing, I plan on writing a No Thank you email to honor that "3 day" in writing cancellation point in the contract. Thanks again, everyone.

 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:00 am 

Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:17 am
Posts: 9
Scripty wrote:
Did any of you check out the website that was posted in the original email that was sent?

Heidelberger Payment GmbH ( | is a legitimate german business. The scammer misuses this name to give his scam more credibility. Pls. note that "Michael Vogts" ( in real: Ivan Scamarowsky or so ) uses as his office address.


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 Post subject: Re: Hi, I'm a new member and need a question answered...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:09 pm 

Joined: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:00 am
Posts: 1
this is from Heidelpay in Germany

Heidelberger Payment GmbH

Büro Heidelberg:

Vangerowstr. 17
69115 Heidelberg
Phone +49(0)6221 65170 - 10
Büro München:
Berg-am-Laim-Straße 67
81673 München

Important notification
We got notified that some individuals are abusing our company name and try to recruit mainly in the USA staff for financial transactions.
Known by name is a person called Michael Vogts which is contacting employees e.g. on platforms like
We hereby clearly say that no person named Michael Vogts is working for us. We are also not looking or hiring for employees in the USA.

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