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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:28 pm 
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In July 2007 I went to the Nutronix site for info on the vitamin B12 product, accepted the trial offer and automatically joined with automatic builder. Today, 11/2/07, I canceled all memberships and stopped further deliveries.
In the 4 month membership I received zero downline, zero commission and regular charges and shipments. I had forgotten about the $9.95 charge starting after the 30 day trial until I took a closer look at my card statement. Income would've been the bonus for using a product that improved my health.
That's why my biggest complaint is the B12 product at $12.95 plus s+h plus the $9.95. That's a lot to pay for a pill that is loaded with sugar, [b]sucrose (refined table sugar)!!!
They failed to warn diabetics and pre-diabetics of the sugar content.
If placing these tablets under the tongue supplies the vitamin directly into the blood stream as they claim, it also puts sugar directly into the blood stream. They claim the product gives you energy, makes you feel betterand is good for you. WARNING, if you have high blood glucose or are concerned about sugar intake, READ ingredients.

Scam? U decide. I wouldn't do it again.


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 Post subject: Is The Berry Tree a SCAM?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:42 am 
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Hello,

I joined Automatic Builder in Feb 2006, immediately upgraded to Sr. Exec, they got me excited with their conference calls. My biggest check in 2006 was $20. I invested $300 (newspaper ad), $200 (team coop).

I joined The Berry Tree on March 27, 2007 and upgraded to get in the Advanced Placement. Everyone that came in the company after me would get me in profit faster. We should see massive spillover as the company grows. I received 8 members the night the company opened. They hung in there until Sept. Sept was supposed to be a massive payout, they said in the 1,000s atleast. Currently, I have lost 10 members, personally sponsored 2, just added 2 more people (but they have to upgrade before I get paid off them.) In Sept. my check was $150, alot better than $20.

It has been an absolute roller coaster ride with this company. The one thing I haven't done is spend $350 for their GTT's ( Guaranteed Tour Takers). Its disappointing, because with the power of automation, and the financial backing of a 7 year old debt free company, it seems like you could become successful.

That's my results. I'm hanging on, because I love the products. I feel better than I have in 10 years, even dealing with all this stress. I desperately need to make money. I don't think I have had success yet.
Thats pretty obvious. But, I know people that have worked with some of the dinosaur MLM, they invested $4000 upfront, and have never made more than $77 a month.

I know you will not get rich overnight. The marketers are making money from that, because people want to succeed. They want to have that time freedom. I have no desire to work outside of the home. I work at home full time.

In conclusion, I hope that this will help people, and they will be able to tell I'm telling the truth. Note: It only takes $55.95/month to be in this program. And, I get the product and guaranteed advertising with that.
Here's the deal. If you take $55.95 and invest it in a bank account, it will take 67 yrs. to achieve what we will achieve in 1 yr. with the company,
$1300 a month residual income. If you invest $500 a month, it would take 26 yrs. to achieve an income of $1300 month, and that won't be residual income.

Will it work? I don't know? But, I want to be independently wealthy and have a nice retirement income. I'm 42 yrs. old, have worked as a Electronic Technician for a worldwide Uninterruptible Power Supply company. I was layed off after working for them for 14 yrs.

I feel like, If I don't try to make some extra income, I'm going to have to work even after I retire. And, alot of people are in the same boat I'm in.
And, if they aren't they may be Monday morning when they walk into the office. By the way, I live in NC, we have lost a tremendous amount of industry, especially Electronics. The companies have to Mexico. And, they moved my company as well.

OK. If you have read this far, I can already tell alot about you. I think that what I have illustrated is, the opportunity is balanced. There are advanteges and disadvantages in both paths.

But, I just feel that investing $55.95 a month in this program to start to achieve a residual income 0f $1300 a month is worth whatever time it takes. I really don't have a choice, because I have been unemployed for five years. I finally got a vacation! There really aren't alot of choices to make money by working at home. Because, this hasn't taken off yet, but it only costs $55.95 a month; thats a drop in the ocean compared to how much you could spend in advertising. I'm using article marketing, email marketing, autorepsonders, to add a little bit of advertising.

It really depends on your perspective. I have had people to try to get me to pay anywhere from $3,000 to well the other day; somebody emailed me and told me about a program to make six figure income in a years time. They wanted $15,000 upfront. That's what you have to look forward too if you are considering working online.

I welcome your opinion. If you know of a excellent opportunity to make money online, let me know and I'll join you. I can quit The Berry Tree anytime I want to. That's my decision. But, I will never pay more than $500 upfront to get started in a program. I don't think its worth it, with all the effective free advertising available. Nobody, should ever pay for advertising.

There you have it. I hope this is some help to people. It may not help me with the company, but I would rather tell the truth than to tell you that you are going to make $5,000 a week while your on the golf course. I haven't found those claims to be true.

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I still say that if you have to pay to join it is not a job, it is a MLM plan, and those never work in the long run.

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I agree with Shawn, this is another MLM. If you have people above you "marketing" the products and people below you also "marketing" the products and each level is depending on the members below them to make some sort of income from that marketing then you have an MLM which stands for "Multi Level Marketing".

Oh and by the way, you "can" make $5000 a week on the golf course if you can play as well as Tiger Woods! :wink:


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ximora wrote:
I agree with Shawn, this is another MLM. If you have people above you "marketing" the products and people below you also "marketing" the products and each level is depending on the members below them to make some sort of income from that marketing then you have an MLM which stands for "Multi Level Marketing".

Oh and by the way, you "can" make $5000 a week on the golf course if you can play as well as Tiger Woods! :wink:


Actually if you can play golf as good as Tiger Woods you can make $12 million a year on golf alone and if you can be as marketable as Tiger then you can add another $88 million per year on top of that :D. Aren't MLM the same as pyramid schemes?


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russellj84 wrote:
. Aren't MLM the same as pyramid schemes?


Yes, same thing, different name.

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russellj84 wrote:
. Aren't MLM the same as pyramid schemes?


Yes, same thing, different name.


Aren't those things illegal?


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I became involved with atomaticbuilder when I signed up to try a vitamin from Nutronix. After the trial period, I had forgotten about the automatic builder program and the additional 9.95 charged to my account. Needless to say, the special price on the vitamin wasn't all that special even before the additional 9.95.
After about 6 months I read the label ingredients and discovered the
B vitamin is loaded with sugars. So I cancelled.
If anyone was put below me I never knew it. I got nothing from the auto builder.
It's my understanding that the people who start the MLM programs usually make big bucks recruiting the downline. However, the farther down the line you are the less likely you are to make anything.
When finances are limited fifty-five dollars a month is a lot to spend for something that you wouldn't ordinarily buy to stay in a program with no guarantee of future income.


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russellj84 wrote:
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russellj84 wrote:
. Aren't MLM the same as pyramid schemes?


Yes, same thing, different name.


Aren't those things illegal?


I think it all depends on how you "package" it. When you call it a MLM (Multi Level Marketing Plan) it is presented and packaged. If you are told you are a "distributor" and you sell an actual product or service, it is legal (still might not be a good way to make money, but legal)

For example, when I was trying to do the work at home mom thing, I tried a company where I sold vitamins. I was an independent distributor of the company. I made a commission off of what I sold, and if I got another person to join as an independent distributor I made a commission off of what THEY sold. Here is the thing . . . the product had to have a LOT of mark up on it to pay out these commissions, so you did not do very high volume sales.

With a pyramid schemes or gifting program, you join and give money to the person at the top, then you get people to join and they pay the next person down, and so on and so on. I think of more like the chain letters we used to get when we were kids that said "send $1 to the person at the top of the list, then take their name off the list and put your name at the bottom and then send it to $10 of your friends" . . . the idea being that as the letter got sent on, your name would work it's way up to the top of the list and pretty soon all of these people would be sending YOU money. The problem is, if one person does NOT do it, it all falls apart and you spend more on postage than you get in return.

So basically MLM have a product or service (usually over-priced so they can make profit) and pyramid schemes do not, but over the years the names have become interchangeable.

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Thanks for explaining the difference between the two.


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