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 Post subject: Automaticbuilder.com
PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:04 pm 
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I would like to know if anyone has ever tried this one, and if it's a scam or not.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:51 pm 
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What I have found on this "company":

The phone number actually goes to:

Rexall Showcase Independent Dist
122 Merrick Rd
Massapequa, NY 11758-6016
(516) 797-8446

The domain information is:

Registrant:
Horizons Marketing
4222 Merrick Road
Massapequa, NY 11758
US

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: AUTOMATICBUILDER.COM
Created on: 06-DEC-02
Expires on: 06-DEC-09
Last Updated on: 30-OCT-04

Administrative Contact:
Phelps, Rob AUTOMATICBUILDER.COMmKjGrO@privacypost.com
4222 merrick road
massapequa, ny 11758
US
5167978446

Technical Contact:
Phelps, Rob AUTOMATICBUILDER.COMmKjGrO@privacypost.com
4222 merrick road
massapequa, ny 11758
US
5167978446


Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.FASTDNS.NET
NS2.FASTDNS.NET

End of Whois Information

***Two different addresses and two different company names..... the e-mail doesn't attach to the domain but rather to "privacypost.com".....not a good sign of a stable, legitimate company***

I've also found this which makes for interesting reading:
http://www.onlyreviews.com/automaticbuilder.html

Automaticbuilder.com appears to be a front for Nutronix (yet another company name) which is an MLM. MLM's are rarely successful.

In my opinion I wouldn't do it.


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 Post subject: Automaticbuilder is Awesome!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:10 am 
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Hello Ximora, you need to be a little more careful when you're checking a businesses status online. Do extra homework...check and recheck before blasting a company. When I looked up the WHOIS information on Automaticbuilder, the phone number was indeed, Automaticbuilder. I heard Art Phelp's voice on the message. Then you said that there were two different names in the WHOIS. That's easy...The one name called "Horizon's Marketing" is part of Automaticbuilder. It's the name for our lead marketing group where we get our Guaranteed Tour Takers from. You owe Automaticbuilder and Nutronix a BIG APOLOGY.

And while I'm on a roll busting scam busters, I recently called a guy online who was also bad mouthing Automaticbuilder. His site said that we don't tell what we do on our site. I told him to look at it more carefully and he'd notice that we are a health and wellness company. He acted flustered and for a second or two, didn't know quite what to say. He said he'd check my claim out. He also said that we make big promises.......NOOOOOOOOOOO....It clearly says, "You could make...."so much money..."You could make" and "You will make" are very different. We didn't say, "You will make...."

Lastly, I bought six downline members recently FROM "Horizons Marketing"...remember, this is the group that you thought was some bogus name added on to the WHOIS info about Automaticbuilder? I got the announcement tonight that those new people are officially part of my downline...pretty awesome. Thanks Art, Rob, Horizons Marketing, Nutronix and Automaticbuilder!

So in conclusion Ximora-- please be careful before you malign a company.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:57 am 
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MLM's are destined to failure for those at the bottom of them, only those who joined Amway were able to make a decent living from it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I simply stated mine and I'm standing by it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:15 pm 
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Ximora, I will check into the 30 day refund policy. However, you never addressed the things I called you on. I find it interesting that you dig up one more new thing about my company to slam them on yet you won't admit that you made some mistakes on your information from a previous post about my company...very interesting. You still owe the company an apology. Opinion should be backed by very careful research...Actually, opinion ususally isn't backed by much researach. So get your facts straight the next time you decide to blast some company with your "OPINION". Sometimes it seems like places like this are on a witch hunt and it's just so fun to slam someone with an "OPINION". How would you like someone to say that you are a gosh aweful person and it was just their opinion because they met you on an off day? However, you weren't like that at all in general. The "OPINION" was spread throughout your whole company...(your main offline job) or school if you're in high school or college. Just trying to help you see things from a different perspective.

I have NEVER had so many sign ups as I have had in this company. I am an average network marketer having above average results due to the Automaticbuilder system. We have a guaranteed member sign up program that is in the testing stages. But I just got six paid members from it.

Also, I have an immune system problem...not anything anyone can catch, but if it wasn't for finding products from MLM's, I wouldn't be as healthy as I am. I have a friend who has a son in his 20's who has a similar illness. She wonders what I take and says I have more energy than her son. I'm old enough to be his mom. I will always be grateful to the companies whose products I use.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:31 pm 
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I don't owe you or anyone a thing.... I was one of the victims that was burned by that program.... I did try it and then wanted to get out of it but they claimed they did not recieve the "unopened" bottle until after the 30 days had expired so I wasn't entitled to a refund! Is it any wonder I'm I skepital about this company??? So a refund I was never given, I've taken the loss and moved on. As far as what I claimed above, I'm going by the whois information that I posted above and I did phone them and sent emails with no response. I also found other ex-members by doing various searches. If it works for you great! You're already on the top so it should! But it doesn't work for everyone especially those on the bottom who have to pay monthly fees to automaticbuilder.com and then purchase products from this company on only a 30 day refund policy it's just not worth it! It's just not enough time to try the opportunity out. Most people here have to live paycheck to paycheck and have kids to feed so waiting for this program to work just isn't feesible for them. Others had the same problem I had with trying to get out of it and get a refund. Maybe rather than arguing the point you can show me and "sites like this" information showing this opportunity actually does work, since going to the site itself gives very little information about the program unless one supplies a name and email address. What's up with that? I for one don't like giving away my email address just to get more information on a product or service. It's hard to get the facts when they make it difficult to find out more about the opportunity. Why can't they just explain it on their website without asking for an email address? Like I said if it's working for you great and even better that the products are also helping you with your health problems and I wish you all the best with that. But you have to see it from a victims side too. Once a person gets burned, the trust factor goes out the window.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:15 pm 
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Mitzie25 wrote:
. You still owe the company an apology..


I have reviewed the posts, and I have to say that ximora did NOTHING to bash you or the company you are with . . . only stated the informaton that was found . . .

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where the phone number actually goes to
The domain information
I've also found this which makes for interesting reading:
http://www.onlyreviews.com/automaticbuilder.html (which is someone else's opinions, not ximora)
MLM's are rarely successful - which is a true fact . . . they are not usually a successful long term "job"


then she offered her advice/opinion, which is what the original poster was looking for . . .
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In my opinion I wouldn't do it.


Ximora said nothing negative, did not slam you/the company and did not go on a witch hunt as you accused . . . if anything, you might owe Ximora an apology.

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 Post subject: Check WHOIS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:06 pm 
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As mentioned, I checked WHOIS late the other night after reading ximora's statement. But his information was truly incorrect as of the other night. It is also normal for many companies to have a 30 day money back guarantee. Granted, some have longer money back guarantees. So if you didn't want to try the product, why did you order it? We have some looky loos who want the product, but don't want to be in the business. Then some didn't really realize what they ordered...silly but it's true. However, it's such a deal for $2.95. So you lost $2.95. That is not a big deal. However, I use that stuff (the B12/B6/FolicAcid Sublingual) due to a stressful job. I have my own office where no one can see in. Sometimes the stress has been so bad that I have just broken down crying. I take a few extras of the B12 Sublinguals and five minutes later, I wonder why I was crying. They're one of the most awesome products I've ever used.

I will certainly ask my company for a longer money back time. I will put in a request in immediately. They are very open to suggestions from the members. That is one of many nice things I like about them. They do listen to us. Many of us wanted an intestinal detoxing product. We asked and a few months later, we had an intestinal detoxing product.

I just wanted to open your eyes...all of you who read this...that the errors aren't necessarily with the company. misunderstandings can be a factor.

There are ways to make an MLM business work with little money. However that way takes time and not money. In general, one should treat an MLM like a business. If you can't afford to start a business, then be a customer and enjoy the products of whatever company you choose to buy from.

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 Post subject: Re: Check WHOIS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:12 pm 
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Mitzie25 wrote:
As mentioned, I checked WHOIS late the other night after reading ximora's statement. But his information was truly incorrect as of the other night.


Okay, then let us all leave it "as of the other night" . . . can you accept that the information Ximora posted was true as she found it at the time she ran the search? This way neither one of you is "right" or "wrong".


Mitzie25 wrote:
There are ways to make an MLM business work with little money. However that way takes time and not money. In general, one should treat an MLM like a business. If you can't afford to start a business, then be a customer and enjoy the products of whatever company you choose to buy from.


I myself have been in MLM businesses before, and I have to say from personal experience that it takes a lot of work to "break even" in a lot of them, especially when they are encouraging you to purchase leads as you said that you have done. Many of them present themselves as a easy way to make the same amount of money or more than you would if you had a "traditional" job . . . this is where I have a problem with MLM, because if it really were that easy to make that amount of money on a regular basis, long term, then everyone would join . . . and if everyone joined, there would be no one left to add to your downline.

MLM's are a numbers game . . . if you would like to take that risk and play those numbers, then we wish you the best of luck . . . but those of us who have been there and tried that have learned for ourselves that a "traditional" job is an easier and less stressful way to support ourselves and our families.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:41 am 
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Automaticbuilder has worked great for me, it is not a scam. It takes work like any other MLM. It's worked a lot better than any other MLM I've been in. The automated system is very automated, it makes it a lot easier to get people singed up and trained.

I've been with the company just 8 weeks and have 41 people in my downline.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:57 am 
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urbanrecon wrote:
I've been with the company just 8 weeks and have 41 people in my downline.


In the world of MLM that really does not mean much . . . I was in one about 5 years ago, and I had over 80 people in my downline and I was only getting checks of a couple hundred a month. The one I was in was automated, and easy to get people into also, but once in they all had to hit the quota per month (which was only $30) in order for me to get paid my % off of them.

The REAL things to look at are, how much time have you put in per week, how much money have YOU put in per week, and how much money have you made per week . . . if what you are putting into it is more than what you are getting out, then it is not worth it.

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Hi to everybody in forum,
I`ve tried automaticbuilder couple of days ago actually purchased my 30 days trial mebership which supposed to be 2.95 but they charged me 12.95 which is price only for Canada(thats what they say)and where I reside actually,but for all other countries price is 2.95.So from start I was suspicious about program itself because if they do things like that in the first place how can I believe in everything else.I complained to help desk support to my "sponsor" as well but never got the answer about it just mails from my sponsor how program is so goood and so on.And also did not get any confimation from the company either automaticbuilder or nutronix of money transaction from my card.
I would like to hear if anybody from Canada had same experience.


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 Post subject: Automaticbuilder
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:09 am 
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I signed up on April 9th/07 and being from Canada, was also charged 12.95 instead of the 2.95. It doesn't make sense to me. I could understand converting 2.95US to Cdn dollars. I haven't questioned anyone at the company about it. However, what I have done is a bit of background research that has woken me up to what I've got myself into. I signed on too fast having been taken in by the promise of easy, fast money for very little effort. That's the scam part of it as far as I'm concerned. The front line advertising lures you to the prospect of making fast money for little investment of time and money. Then, once you've signed up, the literature changes and you start hearing that it will take considerable effort and even time to make a real go of the business. Yes, as a mature adult, I'm responsible for my own naivete. Well, I've woken up before I'm even out of the gate and had already planned days ago to call and cancel my membership well before the 30-day trial is up. I haven't received my shipment of B12 yet and don't have much faith in a refund but I'll try. I have no real hard feelings against the company for as I intimated, I'm an adult and should take responsibility for my decisions.
Caveat emptor (Buyer beware)

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I see a couple of drive by binary posters all stating how great Automaticbuilder is...interesting.

Searching for "Automaticbuilder+scam" brings up over 900 hits on Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Au ... tnG=Search

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 Post subject: wouldn't refund w/in 4 days
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:18 pm 
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I joined Nutronix, forgot it had to be (or was) through automaticbuilder.com - regretfully didn't notice the $9.95 per month charge on my March & April bills, did see it on May 20 on my credit card bill. Didn't remember this program or that it was with Nutronix.

I went to the site to try to find a phone number to call, put in a username & password I usually use (come to find out it was the right info), couldn't get in the site, so I entered my email and it said no user by that email.

I called, got my account deleted so there would be no more charges. Went back to the site after the person answering the phone gave me my info. The site still would not build. So I called back, told him I still couldn't access the site, couldn't access the site before I called to cancel, and that they should refund my money since I probably couldn't access the site in the last several months. I said at least they should refund the May 20 charge of $9.95. Even though I called only 4 days afterwards. Nope, wouldn't do it.

Anyway they put me back in the site, I went and read, then sent a ticket to just remove me completely.

My error I know - but bad customer relations on their part too.


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