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 Post subject: Re: A common thread..........
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:55 pm 
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Are_You_Stupid_or_What has had their user profile deleted. We DO NOT allow bashing or putting down victims on this site! (to those who are even thinking about doing so, would you tell a rape victim that they got what they were looking for because they wore a short skirt?!?!)

If anyone has any problems with a member off the board, please bring it to the attention of myself or one of the other moderators.


Oh sorry. I didn't know that id was gone. :oops: I just felt my face heat up when I read what that person was saying. It's heartbreaking enough to know people have had this done to them-scammed then to have someone rubbing it in. I feel for anyone who has had it happen. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Victims are not Stupid
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:18 pm 
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Trying to do something-- wrote:

Luckily, I figured it out before the bank did, if not I would be looking at felony charges, too. Bank is not helping any either.


That is what gets me about this type of scam. Talk about blaming the victim. You get taken for thousands of dollars and then the bank turns around and presses charges against the victim of the crime as if they were the criminal.

Punishment is supposed to deter crime but what kind of deterrent is it to take the well meaning person who was an unwitting victim and punish them while the real criminals get away free and clear with all the money? Far from being a deterrent this just makes the real criminals even bolder.


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 Post subject: Re: Victims are not Stupid
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:55 am 
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That is what gets me about this type of scam. Talk about blaming the victim.


I was just talking yesterday with someone about the similarities between rape victims and scam victims . . . many of them do not want to talk about it or come forward due to the shame/embarassment . . . others who do not understand the situation may blame the victim (rape - she was asking for it by wearing that short skirt, scam - they got what they deserved for being greedy)

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Actually in these cases it's more like someone walking into a police station to report a mugging. The police not wanting to walk outside into the rain just slap handcuffs on the mugging victim. Why? Because they are much easier to find than the mugger.

What I wonder is why aren't victim's rights groups jumping on this practice?


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MattNW wrote:
What I wonder is why aren't victim's rights groups jumping on this practice?


Because there needs to be more attention brought to the fact that this is going on. I did speak on this point at the National Center for Victims Of Crime's annual conference this summer in Washington DC

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MattNW wrote:
What I wonder is why aren't victim's rights groups jumping on this practice?


Because there needs to be more attention brought to the fact that this is going on. I did speak on this point at the National Center for Victims Of Crime's annual conference this summer in Washington DC


Could it also be that there is no way to really tell if the person is a true victim or if they are frauding a merchant or a bank? I have seen several instances where people know the money orders, gift cheques, traveler's checks, or cashiers checks are counterfeit or fraudulent and still cash them and when they get caught they act suprised and offer to make payments in order to get out of the charges. So how are law enforcement and victims rights groups able to tell who is for real and who is really a criminal?


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MattNW wrote:
What I wonder is why aren't victim's rights groups jumping on this practice?


Because there needs to be more attention brought to the fact that this is going on. I did speak on this point at the National Center for Victims Of Crime's annual conference this summer in Washington DC


Could it also be that there is no way to really tell if the person is a true victim or if they are frauding a merchant or a bank? I have seen several instances where people know the money orders, gift cheques, traveler's checks, or cashiers checks are counterfeit or fraudulent and still cash them and when they get caught they act suprised and offer to make payments in order to get out of the charges. So how are law enforcement and victims rights groups able to tell who is for real and who is really a criminal?



good point


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 Post subject: Re: A REMINDER TO ALL...THOSE WHO LURK AND THOSE WHO POST
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I am surprised you had to post this in the first place. Sure, I have ran across people that were taken, but I did not blame them and tried to educate them.

The only time I even came close to, well not blaming more like lecturing, someone is when someone bought into this nouveu tech thing. They were promising he would be rich and all that and have this great house, etc. but they were not selling any product or telling him how to obtain it. In fact, they wanted him to pay more money for access to this website. I gave him a long lecture by saying there is no such thing as a "get rich quick" scheme. Most of the people who make a lot of money in a short amount of time legitimately are also working hard to do it, have won the lottery and have invested the money, or have come into some money and started a business that is working out. Then, he wanted me to check out this thing about writing letters (a pyramid scheme) and I told him the same thing again.

I do not blame someone for being taken or getting ripped off. There is nothing that says that we should not trust people. If anything, it is written that we should and that others are not suppose to cheat us. Someone tried to rip me off and did in a way in China. I do not think it is typical of the people of China. This employee sold me two things and I do not know if her boss was aware of it. When I could not get her on email, I went right to her boss and told her what I was going to do. I was going to put a bad review on every international site that regulates all international businesses. I had gone through a group and told her that I was going to tell them about it, and the items were sent, though not the items I wanted.

The only reason I told you the story of my friend is because, though he didn't lose his shirt over this, he paid like 5-6 hundred dollars for it. I told him to go to the FTC, but he threw them away. Then, he wants to get mixed up again in something else and I said, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." And, it was not like he was trying to do a legitimate business deal. I am still trying to educate him on scams and such.

I guess that is all we can do, but do it in a way that won't make everyone feel bad about themselves.

That was a great post by the way.


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